PreAccident Investigation Podcast

PAPod Special - Honoring a Safety Pioneer: James Reason's Legacy

In this special episode of the Pre-Accident Investigation Safety Podcast, hosted by Todd Conklin, we take a moment to honor the legacy of James Reason, a prominent figure in the field of safety and human error study, who passed away on February 5th, 2025. James Reason revolutionized the way we understand human errors, particularly in complex systems, with groundbreaking concepts such as the Swiss cheese model and the theory of a just culture.
Listen as we delve into the life and contributions of James Reason, from his early conversations that expanded our understanding of organizational accidents to his influence in various sectors, including healthcare and aviation. Featuring a special tribute from David Woods, this episode reflects on Reason's enduring impact and challenges us to continue advancing in the world of safety and reliability.
Join us in remembering a man whose work has profoundly shaped the foundation of modern safety practices. In a unique tribute, we invite you to enjoy a sandwich with Swiss cheese, a nod to Reason's famous model, and reflect on his contributions to the field. Thank you, James Reason, for your remarkable influence on safety and human error research.

PAPod 532 - Lessons from Leadership with Doug Parker and Jim Frederick

Welcome to the Pre-Accident Investigation Podcast with Todd Conklin. In this exciting two-part episode, Todd sits down with former OSHA administrators Doug Parker and Jim Frederick. Together, they dive into the world of OSHA, sharing their experiences and insights from working at the forefront of occupational safety and health governance.Doug and Jim open up about their time at OSHA, discussing what they feel proud of accomplishing, the challenges they faced, and the work they hope will continue. The conversation touches on the role of enforcement and discipline in leadership, as well as the importance of proactive safety measures.Listeners are given a unique glimpse into the agency's internal workings and how the COVID-19 pandemic reshaped the way safety and compliance are perceived and implemented. Doug and Jim reflect on building trust within the organization and with the public while adapting to the uncertainty brought by the pandemic.This episode offers valuable lessons for anyone interested in safety, compliance, and the dynamic role of regulatory bodies in making the world a safer place. Don't miss part two, where the conversation continues with more insights and reflections from these remarkable leaders.

PAPod 531 - Marc Yeston Redux - Navigating Safety: The Fine Line Between Manipulation and Design

Welcome to another insightful episode of the Pre-Accident Podcast hosted by Todd Conklin! In this engaging conversation, Todd shares his recent extensive travels across Europe and Asia, the exhaustion that follows, and the reflections it brought. This episode takes a closer look at the intriguing debate of whether the methods used in workplace safety are merely manipulative or cleverly designed for efficiency and security.
Through a dynamic discussion with Marc Yeston, Todd explores the implications of context-driven behavior in organizational settings. They dissect scenarios that highlight the subtle ways in which environments influence worker behavior, questioning whether these influences are ethical or simply essential for safety and performance.
Listeners are invited to think about their own work systems and practices and whether they facilitate safe behavior or inadvertently lead employees towards riskier decisions. This episode is not only about understanding manipulation but also appreciating thoughtful system design.
Grab a jar of Milo's Tea, sit back, and enjoy this thought-provoking dialogue that challenges our perceptions of safety and efficiency in the workplace. Join Todd and Marc as they navigate these complex discussions with humor and insight.

PAPod 530 - Revisiting Safety on the Edge: Past Insights and Future Conversations

Join us on a captivating journey through the realms of safety innovation and discussion as Todd Conklin invites Corrie Pitzer back to the Pre-Accident Investigation Podcast. Corrie, a pivotal thinker in the safety domain, shares the story behind the resurgence of "Safety on the Edge," an international series of conferences promoting new and collaborative safety strategies.
The episode kicks off with a recount of a spontaneous, thought-provoking text exchange between Todd and Corey during a Billy Strings concert, highlighting the importance of embracing diverse viewpoints in safety discourse. The dialogue inspires the revitalization of the "Safety on the Edge" meetings, aiming to unite thought leaders and professionals globally to push the boundaries of traditional safety practices.
Todd and Corrie reminisce about the early days of the movement while unveiling plans for an upcoming gathering in Berkeley. The event promises engaging discussions led by industry pioneers, conceptual innovators, and safety practitioners who will delve into topics ranging from mental well-being to technological advancements in safety.
Get ready to immerse yourself in this exciting preview of the future of safety, exploring how tenets from years past are being adapted into practical applications today, and the enduring commitment to preventing workplace incidents through collective learning and dialogue.

Safety Moment - Stupid Systems Create Stupid Outcomes

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PAPod 529 - Embracing the Imperfect Journey: A New Year's Reflection

In this episode of the Pre-Accident Investigation Safety Podcast, Todd Conklin reflects on the start of 2025 and the podcast's 11th year. He shares insights from a recent vacation and discusses the evolving priorities that come with age. Todd emphasizes the importance of valuing incremental improvement over the elusive goal of perfection, invoking a memorable Voltaire quote to set the tone for the new year.The episode delves into the complexities of redefining success in organizational safety, challenging the widely-held notion of 'target zero.' As Todd guides listeners through this thought-provoking conversation, he highlights the significance of monitoring progress and appreciating the 'good' that occurs in everyday operations. Join the discussion on how to navigate the path toward improvement in an imperfect world, setting the stage for a meaningful and balanced year ahead.

Safety Moment - The Unseen Impact: Embracing the Unmeasurable in Safety

In this episode, Todd Conklin delves into the unique challenges faced by those in the safety profession, where success often lies in preventing measurable incidents from occurring. Reflecting on his experiences in Colombia, he emphasizes the moral duty and imperative of ensuring workers have the environment and support they need to succeed amidst complexity and change.Conklin argues that although the results of effective safety measures may be "nothing happened," this absence of incidents is indeed a powerful indicator of success. He advocates for a shift from focusing on statistical achievements to recognizing and valuing the quieter, immeasurable successes that occur when standard operations proceed safely and smoothly.This episode encourages listeners to appreciate the significance of their roles in maintaining safety and to educate leaders about the importance of outcomes that are not easily quantified, urging the community to take pride in the unseen impacts of their work. Music.

PAPod 528 - Embracing Uncertainty: Navigating Change in Today's World

Join Todd Conklin in a thought-provoking discussion on the unexpected dynamics of podcasting and the complexities of gauging audience interest. Through candid reflections, Todd explores how unpredictability drives innovation, emphasizing the importance of continuous learning and adaptation in uncertain times. Discover the challenges of initiating change in high-risk environments and the role of safety as a presence, rather than an absence, of failures.Dive into Todd's new book, "New Ideas for Old Problems: A Human Performance Approach to Sustainable Change," which offers fresh perspectives on safety and organizational improvement. Learn about the incremental nature of change and the critical shift from traditional safety metrics to a broader understanding of safety as an organizational capacity. The episode invites listeners to rethink conventional approaches and consider monitoring progress through new lenses.Explore how new ideas can be seamlessly integrated into existing systems and the ongoing journey towards more resilient and reliable organizations. Todd shares personal insights and the inspiration behind his latest work, encouraging listeners to engage with innovative concepts and apply them in diverse contexts. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in evolving safety standards and fostering sustainable change within their organizations.

PAPod 205 - Redux: Merry Christmas

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PAPod 527 - Navigating Safety in High-Risk Maritime Operations

Join host Todd Conklin in this engaging episode of the Pre-Accident Investigation Podcast as he dives into a captivating conversation with Bionda van Roosendaal Stelling, the General Manager of Health, Safety, and Environment at HEEREMA. Recorded during an unexpected taxi ride, this episode takes us on a journey through the fascinating world of high-risk maritime operations.
Explore the challenges and innovations in safety within the maritime industry, emphasizing a shift from viewing workers as problems to seeing them as integral solutions. Bionda shares insights into how European maritime companies like HIRMA are embracing new perspectives on safety and resilience, highlighting the importance of learning from normal operations and integrating technology as a tool rather than a crutch.
This episode also reflects on the broader changes in safety discussions over the years, the continuous evolution in industry practices, and the vital role of accountability in managing project risks. Whether you're in the maritime industry or interested in modern safety approaches, this episode offers valuable lessons on navigating complex environments while keeping the human element at the forefront.